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Ep. #3 - Dylan Owen Official Transcript

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all right everybody episode 3 of the
20-somethings podcast today we have
Dylan Owen on Dylan Owen is a rapper or
I would call him a poet as well and I do
during this episode Dylan and I actually
go way back we grew up in the same
hometown upstate New York and it's a
small town called Goshen I remember
Dylan on the schoolyard when we were
growing up having rap battles and since
then he has come a long way
releasing multiple eps tons of really
amazing cinematic music videos his
lyrics are some of the most visual that
I've ever heard and I've always admired
him admired him his music his content
and it was just really really nice to
have a chance to sit down catch up and
have an intimate conversation so without
further ado
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we're here today with Dylan Owen he is a
rapper but I usually like to ask her
guess how they want to label themselves
so Dylan you want to introduce yourself
and tell people I guess what you do
definitely how's it going everybody I'm
Dylan I'm an artist from the city I rap
I play guitar play keyboard and I'd say
my music is style somewhere between
hip-hop and singer-songwriter yeah
definitely I would also throw in poet
I've this past week I've been talking
about how you're coming on the show and
I'm sure your music to a handful of
people actually showed it to me my
girlfriend and she said he sounds more
like a poet than a rapper I'm not sure
how you respond to commentary like that
it's cool well I think it's flattering
like I don't know if I I don't know if
I'm good enough with the writing to be
considered poetry but I definitely
appreciate it and I do think of it a lot
as I'd say I approach it a lot the way
people probably approach poetry yeah and
I write poetry all the time
and that's a lot of what ends up as the
lyrics of the songs
yeah well the themes that you seem to
incorporate into your work definitely
steps outside of I guess what you
normally expect when you're listening to
rap music I don't listen to rap really
at all and I I mean I I listen to your
music before because Grant has played it
and then of course once you're coming on
the show is like oh I got a really like
let's new stuff and kind of get familiar
with it and I started listening and he's
one write about the poetry thing and to
like I was listening I was like wow like
the way he involves live instruments
with that sort of flow that you have
it's like it's like more of a poetry
flow than it is like like a normal I
guess what I would typically think of as
like it's not Drake right exactly yeah
yeah well in terms of flow especially
with hip-hop right now everyone's doing
let's say like really
tempos and those kind of flows and I'm
definitely sticking with the flow that
is like more natural for me and I think
it's because the kind of like lower
tempos that I use and that that's sort
of let's just call it like a kind of
boom bap temple range that's more of
where I feel like I can get my sentences
out the most clearly mm-hmm and also
kind of fit the most words in without it
sounding jumbled or whatever so it's
definitely for me it's all about the
writing in the words and the poetry of
it so I think that description is
totally yeah for sure so and in addition
to that then we were talking about this
a little bit before the show started you
know it's not totally resyncs I know
you've played with a band before but in
the video that you sent me over it's the
live version of Mourne
which was awesome thanks and I saw
you've been posting some clips from the
show that you had a couple of weeks ago
like you're playing with what what
instruments are you playing with now a
violin guitar yeah so my normal setup
will be gay Valley plays violin and
keyboard and then Nate sander plays
trumpet and guitar and then on some
songs I'll switch out and play the
acoustic and then probably one or two
songs I'm gonna end up playing keys live
on but that's sort of the setup that's
on and for like a full-on live show with
a speaker system that whole thing will
play a beat and then layer that with all
the instruments so it'll be like a
hybrid yeah kind of thing how's that I
just wanted to say it's funny you bring
that up because we if the listeners
don't know grant and I went to high
school together so that's how we know
each other originally and that is kind
of how I started was with a band and
playing with instruments like that sort
of in like eighth ninth grade I was
playing guitar and rapping in my room
but I didn't ever see a world where that
would end up like being able to record
that like I just didn't understand how
you could really do that so now I'm kind
of like coming around to my roots again
so it's just funny you remember that yes
I think that's kind of unique to you
yeah no 100% it's a it's actually really
funny it's not funny our history but
it's fascinating because I was telling
Keith earlier this week that I remember
being quite young with you
like maybe ten or eleven years old
because we used to hang out at
dinsmoor's all the time like all the
time and I remember being so young but
you were rapping then like they had so
we were at their old house and they had
the drum set in the front room and I
have a vivid memory and you might not
remember it I remember we were just like
fooling around his kids like playing
music like somebody was on the drums and
stuff and like you were rapping and you
were like oh yeah your rapper name could
be phat grant like this Fat Joe was
really bad back then Wow
I don't remember that yeah but it's
interesting because like you were
rapping from such a like a young age
line was that like seventh grade or it I
think even earlier than that I think
that was probably like fourth or third
grade or something I don't know I always
like try to think back to that like I
had a similar conversation with somebody
the other with a Conner the other day
Conner Burnett yeah and we were just
like reminiscing on those times that the
dinsmoor's in that house and I don't
know it's funny man because I spent a
lot of time there and so did you growing
up like yeah we're just always there I
don't remember that the drum set or
anything though but I definitely believe
that yeah yeah probably I feel like when
I was in like sixth grade would have
probably been the first time I would
have been rapping like out loud live and
mm-hmm
with us jamming or something yeah what
was so like back then who were you
listening to back then I was listening
to a mix of just stuff that was on the
radio I think at that point when I was
like in sixth grade you know but I also
my dad used to play a lot of music in
the car on the way to school
he would play Beastie Boys and and Kid
Rock like all and cake and these kind of
weird random things that sort that I do
think probably influenced me but there
was a lot of random mixtape music like
that like I love the Beastie Boys I
remember that I loved Smash Mouth it's
like one of my favorite albums oh yeah
oh my gosh what's the others like smash
mouth and like Uncle Kracker remember
yeah yeah like all that has stuff that
was all on the radio so I'm sure that
influenced me and then sixth grade
seventh grade I was getting into more
mainstream hip-hop like just Eminem
jay-z whatever like I love jay-z the
black album that kind of stuff
and then through that I got into like
kind of mainstream but kind of
alternative hip hop like Talib Kweli mos
def those type dudes and I was really
into that stuff too and I was into like
Linkin Park and yeah that's did you find
like when you start breaking into the
hip-hop community how did that go over
for you because you don't you don't
necessarily fit the image of like again
your stereotypical rapper you know and
again just like with the instruments
that you utilize in the way that you or
the content that you talk about your
music like how did people within that
community response so you're like
playing shows I'm assuming with maybe
some other rappers or were you just
playing with band I don't know back then
I was just playing me in a DJ but yeah
we would definitely play with other
rappers and everything I think it was
people definitely would think of it as
different you know I think it was always
like wow this kid is definitely doing
something different and I know that the
music I make is not you know
straightforward hip-hop it's not kind of
like for everybody so I think it the
people that like it hopefully you know
liked it a lot and then some people they
just probably don't get it and that's
fine
I expect that it's a good you have a
really good element of like storytelling
in your app that I like when I listen to
it yeah like it it it's weird because
I'm listening and it like takes me back
it's like suburbs yeah and like it like
I can I can see the things in the story
happen the exact same things happening
to me you know six seventh grade eighth
grade though yeah oh yeah it's like
you're very good at element of
storytelling thanks yeah yeah it's so
visual like that's just how I write is
like just kind of trying to describe an
image that I'm seeing
yeah I was gonna say I actually wrote
down a note because I was listening to
music and taking notes and stuff that I
wanted to discuss with you and one of
the things that I love about your music
just going hand-in-hand with that is
that it is so relatable and yet it's so
personal at the same time you know like
people like I listen to it as well and I
get these flashbacks and memories but
the verses that you are rapping they're
also so personal to you so I'm wondering
like how how do you think that happens
like finding that perfect balance
between being personal yet also in a
weird way Universal it's both at the
same time that's awesome I mean I think
of it as that just sort of the life
experiences that I've had are probably
pretty universal you know that's always
how I've thought of it like when people
say they relate like to me it's like
personal documentation music like that's
always like it's like a journal or a
diary kind of thing like whatever but I
think just the stuff I've gone through
is probably fairly similar to what
people have gone through like I don't
have I don't think I had some crazy
extreme upbringing in any direction I
think it's the experiences that I went
through are probably pretty normal and
that I go through now but I just don't
feel like people describe them in music
often enough so that's like kind of what
I try to set out to do is talk about
those things that they might seem
ordinary but I think they're important
to shed light on and talk about and
mm-hmm
you know other people relate to them too
yeah I think too like because it's rap
and not other music like if you were
doing like a pop song or like you know
like a country song or whatever you
don't have all of that available space
to be able to talk in that length like
there's a conversational element yeah
there's a really the amount of words
that you're just you know naturally in
it being a rap song able to throw in
there allows it to be super
conversational and super personal but
you know still having the overlying
theme of what most music has like it's a
love song or it's like a song about
family or it's a song but you just have
a ton of context well I think that's why
I'm drawn to rap is because it allows me
to actually talk
like so much more you know it's like
that to me it's the closest genre to
like writing like long-form writing you
know that's sort of how I think of it
short of doing there's some like spokes
gonna say it's like a cousin of spoken
words I'm one step away from spoken word
for sure definitely yeah for sure I
watched the video that you sent over the
teaser for the album which was really
beautiful I mean that along with to
break some ice video that's the manag
refers stunning work Brian yeah he's
Brian is crazy it's his loyal so Brian's
the director of both those I'm gonna his
name's Brian Petros and he's basically
he is gonna be doing like all the
visuals for the album and we've done a
lot of them so far like I can show you
so much more yeah the thumb so that
teaser like he shot handheld on his
camera and everything and then break
some ice we got like a big team together
to do it but Brian and me met like
probably three four years ago and he
just loved the music and he's like dude
I really think I can bring it to life
visually and I like didn't I didn't know
like what he was going for first like I
just didn't I had never had that type of
experience with a director you know he
was kind of always like more of a sort
of work-for-hire kind of thing and
you're just trying to get a visual up to
support your song whatever but Brian was
just like this is like three four years
ago for my EP there's more to life in
2015 he was like man let me just make a
little teaser for it like one minute
long type of thing and then this one
minute teaser became this like sort of
bigger project and we threw everything
into it and it became very cinematic and
that's that there's more to life trailer
that's on YouTube in them for break some
ice in the new album we wanted to like
take that concept and do it for the
whole album and try to try to really
represent everything is that what's
happening are you doing videos for all
the songs pretty much for all of them
yeah wow that's really like they'll be
at least they'll be at least some visual
for every song so yeah trying to think
of how many we've done so far but
definitely like somewhere like five six
seven
or something already mm-hmm and they're
all different like they're not all like
huge productions some are just a
one-shot thing like whatever but we do
want to try to cover I think that's
gonna be such a fun project for somebody
with a camera to work on with do with
your content because what we're saying
is so visual yeah it's gotta be really
fun
I think Brian brings it to life in this
really interesting way like I don't know
I it it's funny because like my writing
is so visual but it's not easy for me to
come up with video ideas mm-hmm
I don't know why it's just always been a
little hard for me but Brian does it in
a way that I think it's nice because it
complements the words but it's not so on
the nose that it's like identically what
I'm saying
yeah just enough of a compliment that
the videos have like they have their own
life too outside of the words you know
what I mean yeah does he do the the
editing as well yeah yeah actually
editing is really good especially for
the the teaser for the album Thanks he's
cutting in and out of things was really
cool yeah he's he's cool he's definitely
the real deal yeah he's the man super
talented guy in the teaser you say on
that your music is like allowing it
allows people to access that world
inside your head do you feel like what
he's capturing mimics that like what
you're seeing or what is that what does
that world look like do you know what
I'm talking about when you say that in
the teaser yeah definitely that's like
the world of my music and lyrics and
this kind of world where I want
everything to be the way that I
visualize it in either something that
I'm dreaming up for the future or how I
kind of wish my past could have been
you're kind of like idealized version of
your your world that's like where I try
to write my music and yeah I would say
Brian is definitely tapping into that
for sure
I mean he's the he's the first person
that I feel like he just has these ideas
without me and him even really needing
to talk about it that matches up
perfectly and I don't know it's cool
like I hear people say stuff like that
and sometimes like you're just like oh
whatever but you know they're just
saying that but it really feels
with Brian like there have been some
just crazy kind of coincidence things
that he'll send me like I'll give you
guys an example so you know what I'm
saying like he wanted to do this one
video of her song that's gonna be on the
album and he's like dude this Bob Dylan
photo of him in New York City really
inspires me I want to like recreate this
like this location whatever this vibe
and that was a photo that I had like as
my desktop background mmm I just love
this photo and like me and him have
never talked about Bob Dylan likes just
so random so I think we're just kind of
creatively on the same page and we
probably both just view my music very
similarly you know yeah which is I don't
know I don't feel like everyone like
totally gets my music so I do think that
that's a that's like a nice unique thing
I'm very lucky to have him on board
yeah for sure it's gonna be kind of a
nerve-wracking thing collabing
especially in that way because it's like
this is your child all right this is
your creative child that you're having
all this impress someone else yeah
there's definitely less that goes into
that yeah for sure definitely a job so
it's like yeah it's been great so far
yeah it's been awesome like it's super
fun and super motivating to make the
videos and just to think about being
able to share that much more stuff with
people because I've always kind of laid
low for a few years whatever so know
like now finally I have a lot of stuff
to share yeah what were you doing while
you were laying low I'm just you know
all sorts of things like definitely
writing ya know kind of obsessing over
the lyrics and the songs and what to do
next and what to say and the songs and
all that stuff like just overthinking it
all way too much and then I'm also just
moving moving back to the city yes I
think that took up time so yeah so those
are like probably the two main things
yeah like other just all you know all
sorts of life stuff like my grandpa
passing away while I was living upstate
living back home that was like a big
thing that I thinking in hindsight kind
of took up a lot of my energy more than
I realized at the time yeah actually I
want to get into that a little bit if
you're comfortable yeah
so when did that take place because I
know
so you're releasing or you release the
song morn and it's really there there's
a weight to that song it's like a very
happy and emotional song um and you
definitely get that feeling of mourning
through that song I think where I did so
I want to dig into what that experience
was like and the the experience of
losing somebody so close to you but also
the experience of writing about it in
such a vivid way yeah so you want to
walk us through that yeah definitely so
what I kind of hinted at it on there's
more to life the EP like that he was
sick at the time so that was like 2015
and he had cancer and I you you might
have even met him at some point but he's
like a small-town printer is from
Washington like very you know
irish-catholic went to church everyday
type of person and really gave like so
much back to that community so he was
definitely my grandpa but I kind of knew
him in this unique sort of way where
it's like he's my grandpa but he's also
kind of his local figure so I think
while he was sick it was a it was just
like a kind of crazy turbulent time that
went on for like a year while I was
living at home at my mom's house which
is like ten minutes from where my
grandparents live so we'd be sort of
driving back and forth and then also
somebody else in my family had cancer at
the same time so it's like a lot of it's
like a lot of like heavy cancer stuff
going on all the time and like medical
equipment in the house like whatever so
at the time I was like oh you know aware
of it but it's weird when you're in a
situation like that like you don't
process it yeah like you don't really
process it and you don't know what to
think and you sort of you're thinking
more in the moment of like each day how
it's affecting you but I don't know so I
knew a hundred percent it was something
like I wanted to write about on the new
music I just didn't know how and I tried
in all these different demos to kind of
like fit it in like as like oh maybe
it'll just be the second verse just
about him whatever and then finally I
was like
let me just do a full song about this
and so I wanted it to be definitely
about him but I also wanted it to be
about the concept of just losing your
first grandparent cuz all my other
grandparents are still alive mm-hmm
god bless so that was kind of like what
I was thinking that's something you know
everyone experiences and I never really
hear anybody rapper sing about it no but
writing it like did it offer some sort
of closure or like healing with I guess
just coping with I don't know you know
losing a grandparent it's an interesting
question um I I guess it sort of did but
I feel like maybe I'm gonna get that
through like just now that the you know
having the song out and kind of playing
it live like through that process a bit
more to me it's like a little bit of
like documenting it like that's what it
feels like like it's an important part
to me of my of what's happened to me
over the last few years so I want to
make sure it's documented and written
down that kind of thing so maybe that's
my way of like getting closure on it
mm-hmm
yeah yeah like I feel like I've kind of
said what I need to say about it in the
music so I feel good about that
and it's definitely yeah I mean people
will hear but it's definitely like a
theme on the album - okay cool yeah it's
a beautiful song man
thanks man I'd really enjoy listening to
it and the live version as well both of
them are great thanks it was like
different in a you know songwriting
sense cuz I just did it all on keyboard
mm-hmm and that was that's the first
song I've like composed it all
throughout on keys like it's not just
like the verses will be this melody that
I write and then you loop it it's like
kind of progresses as it goes on and I
tried to push myself to like okay if
this lyric has this let me like throw a
minor chord in there that's not in the
first verse but makes sense here type of
thing hmm and I mean you could hear it
musically too but I try to like play
outside the key and like throw in some
I'm small enough yeah just to give it a
different emotion you know yeah yeah
definitely and the emotion I mean
I I thought that the emotions sort of
does change throughout the song like
when the versus and it goes into the
female verses or the female vocals in
the chorus I guess yeah which yeah
there's there's sort of a lightness to
the chorus I think of what is that
moment that they're singing about I
think it's about looking back on its
like years later after you've lost
somebody and you're looking back
thinking like wow we spend so much time
mourning and grieving over this so it's
sort of like the opposite of what the
verses are in a way yeah it feels that
way yeah that's yeah and I I don't know
that's just what felt natural to me like
it's your mourning the loss of someone
you miss them you know it's so sad
whenever you lose somebody but you're
also like the whole experience takes a
lot I think from everyone like it is a
lot of your like energy your time like
when if you guys you know I've ever lost
a family member you know like everything
that goes into it like driving to
people's houses and getting like the
eulogy ready and the wake in the funeral
and like the it's just a crazy
experience and I feel like that I wanted
to capture that element of it too cuz
that was a lot of what I experienced I
felt like none of us in my family even
had time to actually grieve or to like
feel the pain as much because we were so
caught up in like the chaos of it all
and the chaos of like the hospital
and whatever so yeah yeah maybe that's
why there's like that that other that
others not to the emotion I totally get
that I actually just lost my grandfather
like two months ago
sorry I know yeah thank you but I wasn't
as close to him which was interesting
when I was listening to this song
he lived in Florida and my whole life he
didn't really like we didn't really
connect that much but listen to the song
it was it was weird because I was I was
listening to it but I was and I knew
that you know I was honestly obviously
thinking of my own grandfather that had
just passed away but might be images
that were coming into my head the way
that you were talking about it was my
other grandfather who I actually have
here who I haven't lost who is
around my entire life so that was
resting yeah it was a really weird thing
I was like I I was thinking of one but
then I had the image of the other like
and you're talking about the Hunchback
and everything in the car and I was like
oh I have that image but I'm thinking
you know I feel I almost feel bad for
thinking of the other grandfather that
way yeah I don't think you should feel
bad about that but maybe that's a good
thing because then you it's like I guess
just a reminder or whatever does know
yeah but appreciate kind of thing I'll
have to feel that with my other
grandparents too and really yeah yeah I
mean I guess everyone has that kind of
experience you know the parents are
close to and the grandparents that
they're not but I haven't what the the
ug thing though cuz that's so true like
I like I said I wasn't that close to him
but my dad was obviously super close to
his own father and when everything
happened like its total chaos
yeah like and I'm talking like family
members ended up going at each other
like wives of people get involved or
husbands of people that aren't even part
of the family get involved and start
like it's this crazy time period and
nobody has any time to grieve yeah you
don't have time to Mel's like yeah so
that's what I was going for with like
mourn all the time we've killed kind of
thing like you just you spent so much
time in the chaos of it yeah that sort
of emotion
yeah for sure I'm glad you've liked
experienced that too with the chaos of
it all yeah it was crazy it's like it's
chaotic nobody ends up crying until the
funeral happens and then all of a sudden
it's like you like realize what
everything is culminated - yeah as a
whole it's like this huge weight you
know like my family said like I haven't
seen my dancing my dad cry at all and
then as soon as he like got up there to
start delivering the eulogy it was like
boom him and his brother just like
that's like waterworks going it's like
yeah well that cuz it's like the final
final realization everything else has
been kind of getting this whole thing
ready getting the you know getting the
the the gravesite ready get you know
calling the church and all this type of
stuff and you're not really thinking
about what the actual thing that you're
doing is right and it's like yeah you're
putting someone to rest like it's a big
it's a big event deaf no and you didn't
you captured that pretty pretty well in
the song thanks man yeah for sure yeah
and I all my grandparents were still
alive so if and had to experience that
but I don't know I grew up with my
grandparents so that will be an
interesting thing when it happens like
they raised me at my father's house yeah
so yeah yeah I don't know it's actually
it's weird because having not lost a
grandparent it's an experience that I
actually cannot even imagine you know
it's a weird thing like I don't I don't
know I can't even put myself there
because it just seems so surreal to
think of somebody being gone like that
yeah yeah definitely yeah well I'm sorry
about that man
yeah yeah no I appreciate it man rest in
peace yeah yeah absolutely and I mean
it's a fantastic way to keep a piece of
them alive you know forever but outside
of that song what uh what is your
writing process usually look like this
is some I love talking to people about
this because I know everybody has their
own creative process that they go
through when they're formulating
whatever they do well you're the writer
musician or anything really has like
their own rituals and stuff like that so
I'm curious as to what yours is
cuz I'm a writer myself and I don't
think I've quite gotten mine down
because it changes a lot it seems like
it's determined on the day you know like
so even if I do the same ritual that I
know works for me some days it's like
I'm just not in that mood that day or
like I'm I'm feeling particularly
anxious or something it's not gonna
happen
mm-hm so I don't know I don't I would
like to get a ritual down it's like okay
like if I just do these things and what
the steps 1 through 4 that I'll be able
to write I've always thought that to
like I wish I had that kind of like
routine thing yeah anytime I've tried to
replicate the different way that I've
done it it just doesn't work like that
I've never been able to be like okay I
made this one song this way so I'm gonna
do that identical thing right yeah it
always ends up as something else and I'm
like still get still getting comfortable
with that idea that like it's gonna be
different every time cuz exactly what
you mean like I want that so bad it's
frustrating sometimes
is how I write a song yeah whatever but
I don't know I think it's just it's kind
of like that's just making any art like
you got to accept that it's like you
know I'm out a little bit differently
than your vision of it in a way and
that's that's sort of what makes it cool
and natural like if you could fully
fully control it would it make it like
as unique of a thing no and so just
because when you're when you are forcing
it like that and you're it's just one of
those days where it's not gonna happen
but you're like I'm gonna make it happen
it's terrible usually it's not like
that's the piece of paper you're
crumbling up for sure you know writing
like cuz I'm not like when I was writing
music it was very much like you could
have a day where you all of a sudden
would just come to you and you are
knocking on a song in like 20 or 30
minutes but then you could also have a
day where you're sitting pen and paper
with the guitar for like three hours I
could just want to get this chorus right
it's a it's just not gonna happen my
process is normally some through some
kind of just you know random stuff I'll
get like a line in my head or something
that I think of like let's say on like
the subway here that sort of experience
and that that line or a few lines will
just stick with me for a long time and
I'll usually write them into like a poem
or whatever play it on it on the guitar
just kind of like ruminate on these
lines that are special to me and then
eventually Nico will send me a beat that
feels right and I'll kind of fit the
line I'll like find a beat that sort of
matches up with that line and then fill
in all the blanks of like okay now I
could make this so they'll send you a
beat after reading the line or he just
sends you be okay he'll just send he's
just like so creative yeah doing this
thing yeah so like the when I say these
lines it's like let's just say I have do
you have any in your phone right now
that you can like read yeah like so many
like I have like I have a place where I
just post all sort of all sorts of poems
it's like just like a private behind
page that nobody reads about me but it's
like online kind of like school archive
and so I'll always like go on there and
just see what fits and then I'll just
play on guitar and keyboard too and try
to just find something that matches up
so then I'll write the rest of the song
like new
Conny in the moment but a lot of it
these lines are like things I thought of
years ago like there's definitely stuff
in mourn like that too or like the
chorus line like mourn all the time
we've killed like I've definitely
written that in like ten other demos
than never came out yes it's kind of
like crazy like ever yeah yeah I'm sure
I've had the same thing and he knows it
too I will go and rewrite the same songs
I'm 18 I'm still reworking where I'm
taking the lyrics from that song but now
putting it with this new music and
trying to figure out what that puzzle is
for that piece of content right it takes
a while to get to that that's what makes
it good satisfaction this it makes it
good because if you just do it one done
it just it's good to a point because
there's all at least for me a flaw of
mine it's like it's not it's never good
enough which is why I when I should
whatever it was like six years without
releasing one song because I'm just like
I'm not satisfied with it I just
released a song last summer it was the
first time I had released a song since
my freshman year of college so about
five or six years Wow yeah but it's
because I knelt it's just hard for me to
get to a place of like I approve of this
like my stamp of approval to put it out
there something that helps me with that
is writing it in a project like giving
in the context of like writing it in
sort of within the theme of an album or
something like that because then you're
like okay this song this is what will
make it feel right you know when I'm
always just kind of doing like one and
done type of songs that's never really
felt totally right for me but like
here's a line for example yeah yeah this
is gonna end up in some future song like
two years out of the year when we broke
into each other's lives
it was vandalism and when we killed the
best parts of our time it was red-handed
bloody murder is something I definitely
I'm gonna fit in there keep it's funny
because he read that I'm like yeah that
sounds like a Dilla no one really does
yeah those like because because you have
lines like that too that you repeat
throughout your songs right like you
have certain lines that reoccur it's so
cool man like your music has really
lifts like a document of your life
so like every time one of those lines is
repeated it's like Oh Dylan's tapping
back into that memory or whatever that
represents to him that's a lot of people
do that if you want to do it really
intentionally you know somebody asked me
about it once um this guy Joey who he's
got to keep your friends close tattoo on
his arm that I threw out for him you
know that's awesome he I remember he
asked me about it on like a QA I did
online and and it just stuck with me his
question like he was like oh when you do
that is there like a real purpose of
what you're tying together kind of thing
and there definitely is like I try to
like not do it for no reason you know
yeah yeah it's not just lines like
sometimes they'll even even be like a
piano part that'll just show up in ya
song yeah look in the same way just like
a reoccurs first that's cool and also
names you you drop names in your songs
yeah of people they're all just the real
people that I mean you know a lot of
them ya know I know
well I know I don't like shadows like I
know less scarce and yes and a lot of
your music I always love when artists do
that
I think it's cool I love I love hearing
like whether it's a girl's name our guys
name just wondering what the
relationship is because you love hearing
a piece of their life which is why isn't
they the music is so cool is because
it's like you're getting a piece of like
their life so like when you hear someone
use an actual name it's like oh like
they know that you can almost hear their
voice but it's like they're characters
though yeah I do think a lot about that
cuz like me and Molly don't talk anymore
like we haven't talked in years uh she
is who I dated like all of high school
basically was like my high school so
Molly yeah okay yeah yeah yeah yeah you
definitely I know her yeah I thought you
said Maile no no okay um so it's funny
because yeah it is like she's just sort
of a character in a way um but I don't
know it's it all kind of gets like
blurred together at some point
yeah who are the who are the other
people that occur often in your music
like what how's that definitely ghost
yeah definitely Molly there's also some
other themes are like having roses like
I got roses
so I need a bid farewell like not some
senioritis and the best figures are
lives um and then also on the new stuff
there's gonna be someone named Annie
that I mentioned a lot yeah notice that
my project keep your friends close was
pretty much about her and on the new
album look I just didn't really say her
by name I'd keep your friends close but
the new album talks a lot about that too
yeah and what's your relationship with
her so we dated a few years back a while
back and it was this kind of like
cross-country long-distance relationship
um well she was West Coast
yeah like Midwest west coast um and it's
been an interesting thing for me because
that was definitely like the I don't
know it's kind of like the most intense
relationship I've ever had and it's one
that I think I can just kind of write
about indefinitely and it's been a
little hard for me over the years to
cope with just like letting it go and
moving on from it it sort of feels like
this death of my childhood kind of thing
like when we broke up which was during
college so yeah I don't know it's kind
of like this just like losing your first
grandparent to me that's like a symbolic
thing this feels like it's like you're
losing your first love type of thing
yeah I totally get that that's that's
kind of like what she represents to me
yeah absolutely
I I do at least in my head I don't write
it write about it and my music the same
way that you do but I also when I'm
thinking back on my life it's like so
you know when you're learning about
history and it's like oh this was the
golden ages like this was the Middle
Ages like all of that like I break my
life into stages like that but it's
determined by the people in my life at
the time a lot of the time it is who I'm
dating just cuz that's you know that's
the closest relationship that you have
with somebody
mm-hmm but it's fascinating yeah yeah
like I define these periods in my life
based on my relationships at the time
yeah and it's weird yeah and don't you
think like the first one or the first
kind of like big one there's like just
some magic to it like it's so yeah yeah
man talked about this all the time we
went into college with girlfriends yeah
and and like like
significant light they're like both like
year like two is sheer right like we
were like yeah but we were young and
yeah yeah but it is it is like that man
it's really is it like when we are let's
say you know 40 years from now right
when we're like in our kind of old age
or you know 40 50 60 years like we're
still gonna remember these people and
like the impact they had on us like kind
of crazy yeah it's crazy to think that
like our grandparents probably have
those people somewhere in their memory -
yeah yeah take some time to like you're
absolutely right there is something
magical about those relationships there
was a period of time where I felt like
oh man does that exist in adulthood you
know like does that can that magic be
found in adulthood or is it something
that just it seems like lust is an
emotion you feel way more frequently
when you're young you know like lust
over a place or romanticizing things
like your Amanda sized things more
frequently when you're young because you
have age thing you know it's like it's
okay it's like when you move out of your
child at home it's like you have like
that that want for that child diploma
it's just because you haven't
experienced other in other places you
know it's cuz that's the only one but
once you go to another home within a
week you'll be fine yeah I don't know
it's I go through phases I go through
phases where things seem more vibrant
and then less vibrant like when I moved
to New York like I was in like in love
with this city in a way where it
represented such a fairy tale to me like
a fairy tale lifestyle like my friends
in New York and my life in New York
after moving from Goshen you know it's
such a huge shift like dramatic shift
for those people listening in Dylan I
grew up in a small town upstate called
Goshen population 5,000 people people I
just think it's funny cuz like I don't
know people they here all were from a
few hours north of City like you don't
expect it to be as a removed as Goshen
is like yeah it's very well yeah that
happens really and I didn't realize that
growing up like I didn't realize that
till I moved to the city and then people
were like whoa where you're from there's
like just farms and cows walk
yeah there are still dirt roads and
there's places without cell phone
service and stuff like yeah it was just
normal to us and like you know everyone
in the town and yeah I'm gonna drive a
bit to get some yeah how you feel going
back there now like when you go back and
forth do you feel like cuz for me it's
kind of like I feel a bit out of place
when I go back to Goshen now I maybe
because I've just been living you know
in Manhattan in Brooklyn for eight years
now that it's not necessarily my home
anymore but just who I am I think who I
was there is quite different than Who I
am now here what's that like for you
it's interesting I think when I go back
there there's still something special
about it that feels like it gives me a
little insight into like who I was
growing up or something like that and
I'm always I don't know I I always am
like trying to kind of figure that out
like who exactly I was at this age
that's why like the story is so
interesting about me rapping over the
drums cuz like I just don't remember
that yeah and yeah I don't know it so
when I go back there it feels kind of
it's like filled with nostalgia like I'm
stepping into this world where I
remember driving around in my first car
like this old beat-up Honda Civic
talking on the phone to Annie it was in
Colorado at the time like these kind of
memories and like driving the seven
minutes from my mom's house to Nico's
house to work on music and work on
senioritis and like it's filled with all
that stuff and it's crazy but there's
also like a lot of other stuff there too
like you're saying like the area has
changed a lot it's definitely not the
exact place that we grew up in it's a
little bit less rural as time goes on
and yeah like of course me now like I
want to be doing music stuff all day and
like you it's hard to do that when
you're in a small town and there's not
there's only like you know
so many creative people that are there I
remember being so jealous of like kids
in Warwick I just felt like they had
such a better scene for music right oh
my god you know high school like who
made music not many people only a couple
of us really like it's kind of that's
kind of crazy that there was only a
few of us and nobody really had amazing
equipment or anything like that like I
all you know friends I've met over the
last few years like people in their high
school who had real bands and courting
stuff and they knew how to like play
avenge I was saying we're in our small
town bubble up there yeah we really were
yeah because I remember listening to get
Warwick's like a town that was like 20
minutes we play together we play Tuscan
okay I played like a handful of times
you did - I went to your shows they're
cool yeah that was that was the place
it's all open mics there too ya know if
you ever did those I don't maybe I can't
remember like Wednesday or Thursday
night I probably I did a handful of open
mics around like Orange County but yeah
it was always a struggle to do music
there and I felt I felt really insecure
about doing music because of that like I
felt like ill-equipped to play because I
just felt like other people had more
equipment and had just one following or
for sure but it was sort of beautiful in
a way like now that I'm like fully just
doing music all the time and I have a
lot of friends who are artists and stuff
there's something beautiful about just
doing it with no resources like yeah
small town like playing out an open mic
you make like 10 bucks cash and you just
keep like I would keep it in a plastic
bag in my room and that was like the
money I saved up and um to then pay to
record like yeah it was really like that
and there's something so cool about that
especially because it just makes it
about the art at the end of the day like
yours it's every little thing is so
precious you know yeah now there's like
so many people you just record a song in
like two minutes and upload it yeah yeah
it's crazy how like the music industry
has shifted during our lifetime I mean
just from the time that we were in high
school 13 14 where it was like if you're
not on MySpace you're not playing music
really like you're not you're nobody
and now myspace is dead and then I was
like well if you're not on iTunes you
nobody now iTunes it's kind of dead yeah
now we have spotify and other streaming
services like Apple music yeah I was
just thinking about that yeah here today
how myspace was like people kind of tend
to talk about social media like it's
such a new thing but like to me myspace
was pretty similar to like what goes on
I was like at first there were people
who were really cool on MySpace and you
would just be so envious of like oh man
I remember messaging like artists we
like friends now who I met through
MySpace and people who follow my music
on MySpace when I was in like ninth
grade yeah totally I remember listen to
your music on MySpace that was where
yeah yeah when I'd record my first EP
was up on MySpace yeah yeah that died
quick too it was like it was so hard
yeah came out it was like yeah the whole
thing just went down well if Facebook
came out like oh seven oh eight a lot of
some people really started using it yeah
I'm like bio nine I think like everyone
was on Facebook yeah nobody was on
myspace yeah and they tried making a
comeback too we went through the MySpace
um remember we perform for them because
they were revamping it as a music yeah
they were looking for artists to I guess
promoting their initial launch yeah we
went to audition for them I mean I
remember that so funny yeah and then it
just it because Justin Timberlake bought
it yeah he did yeah I don't even know if
they got it off the ground like I think
we signed up for it and everything I
don't even know that they never know
what do you guys think of Spotify like
do you mostly listen to music on there I
did I really liked it
but I'll tell you something about I
don't love is that I feel like it is so
easy to just listen to like thirty
seconds of a song then move on mm-hmm
and I think getting kinda encourages and
of course iTunes already did this before
but it sort of encourages just listening
to like single songs at a time rather
than really diving in an album and you
can see the way artists like they have
so much music coming out nowadays that
it's kind of it's too much sometimes
like some of my favorite artists now put
out too much music and those always
singles and the way Spotify works I
actually message them once
about something similar to this because
I didn't like the way that the layout of
the app was what I really message so not
even getting you because it was like I
can't save my music by album or by like
artists like it's a we I I don't know if
they've changed the absence yeah I don't
even remember honestly what I was
complaining about but I complained about
that's a it was it was just a way that
you download it like you can't download
I don't remember but it had something to
do with like you you're encouraged to
just listen to single songs you're not
really encouraged to like listen to an
album yeah you know and music has always
been like that like just like oh the top
you know the top hit you're never gonna
listen to the you know the rest of their
album but yeah it's important it's like
the good stuff isn't the rest of the
album yeah it's not necessarily releases
full-out like they do but mmm big
artists these days just like they're
dropping singles every two or three
months right
yeah where you have Drake who drops
purposely drops like a 24 track 2 disc
thing because he knows people are just
gonna stream quickly through it yeah
broke the record right like what I don't
know what I'm trying to do with this
album is just do what's just best for
the music and just about all that stuff
and I've never really given into that
stuff and I'm very like thankful I
haven't yeah but there are so many
people who are like oh man you got a you
know you got to release music every week
whatever like yeah but it's just that's
not what makes sense for like my music I
think it takes me a long time to get my
music to feel right and to feel like I'm
worth it to release just like you were
saying about yours and I think that's
that's good though you're making
anything you've all tell to like you
make your music for like because people
listen on Spotify landrush just not you
can tell a music is cheap you know like
you can tell like when you listen to a
song it's like oh my god the amount of
production first of all that went into
it it's even though it's like expensive
it's cheap because there was no real
artistry but from the artists going into
that song when you have to sit and
cultivate a song over like three months
and you know you're putting the lyrics
like you guys are talking about putting
lyrics and with this music and it's like
no I don't like what that music I put it
in this music that makes like a really
good song like you're you're really
putting the
you know the work in the art or as
otherwise it's like there's not really
any work in that like definitely there's
like 20 different people so just like
trends like you're always gonna have
these trends you know it's the same way
there's like trends and musical styles
and trends and hip-hop and trends in
folk music whatever and you got to just
like do your own thing I think and like
be yourself and not know give that stuff
too much credence yeah I don't even know
what the current trend is right now with
me because I know when I the last time I
paid attention to like trends and music
was like Mumford & Sons like when like
Mumford & Sons was big and everybody
sounded like like they had a banjo and
the kick yeah I mean like that was every
song it was like kick kick kick
banjo solo for like four years that was
every new band that came in yeah and I
don't know after that I think the last
time I paid attention was when Skrillex
became like this enormous thing top 40
artists now like Drake obviously ed
Sheeran yeah yeah sure I'd liked him
more Killers six years ago the killer's
really I think that song is still in the
top 40 mr. Brightside yeah I think so
great song who are you listening to
right now I listen to all sorts of
different stuff the last couple years
I've been getting really into more
traditional songwriters okay
John Prine Townes Van Zandt like I don't
know if you guys listen to N in them but
just their lyrics and their storytelling
is like unbelievable so I've really been
going down that rabbit hole like this
guy Warren Zevon is so cool is this kind
of like a little bit lesser-known but I
don't know like our parents would
definitely know who he is
um you know Joni Mitchell that kind of
stuff so been just really getting into
that and then I listened to a ton of
alternative hip hop stuff like Astro
Nautilus buck 65 this guy that I'm
friends with named Chesky who's amazing
all sorts of different stuff like that
and then I loved some mainstream stuff
too like you know Jay Cole mm-hmm
whatever so
always kind of trying to find the
something else but I would say it's
always just like the best of lyrics is
what um yeah he's looking for really
yeah but you're you're a person that
like actively tries to find new music as
of the last couple months I've been
doing it again kind of but I would say
during the making of the album I listen
to just a lot of songwriters yeah a lot
of like kind of classic classic
songwriters who have great lyrics and to
me it's more about just the emotion of
it like I don't know that's just kind of
what I was feeling
yeah time yeah yeah they were like a
select there's a handful of songwriters
in my head that the emotion that they
can convey usually guys with just like a
guitar and singing it's just I'm always
baffled me like how do you do that they
could be a simple song too
what's the way it all comes together
mm-hmm it's yeah definitely I don't
think having great lyrics necessarily
means needs to mean like super
complicated yeah and where do is it's
more of just is the song really special
yeah absolutely
can you hear the emotion behind the
voice - yeah yeah yeah yeah like artists
like that for me are like um Damien Rice
when Hansard those guys like stand out
to me in my head is like some of the at
least to me some of the greatest
songwriters I saw Damien live any no
really that's where it was at I think it
was Radio City Music Hall or amazing it
was either there or a different theater
but it was really cool I was absolutely
blown away it was just pretty much just
him for most of the show yeah he was
unbelievable yeah that guy can invoke
such emotion at me like talking about a
guy who can sing about like sad
relatable things like he's so sad yeah
well he's so cool cuz he's someone who
he just disappeared for so long yeah and
yeah he was like one of the biggest
artists in Ireland ever but he just
didn't care like it felt to me like I'm
sure he had all sorts of people wanting
him to
music but he just did it when it was
right for him yeah came back and made
this album that was just all about his
relationship and I don't know that was
so cool to me like he I've always loved
him because he was in a relationship
with I can't remember her name right now
but the singer he's smoking yeah at Lisa
Hannigan yeah yeah that's correct I
wanted to for a while I was taking a
screenwriting class in college I wanted
to write a screenplay about the
relationship like it's fascinating to me
like they got huge like they they had
been playing together and I'm pretty
sure he was homeless I'm pretty sure he
was like did not have a place to live
and they're performing like on the
street then they got huge and then they
had like a horrible breakup and he just
disappeared he like moved to like a farm
on Spain for like ten years and then he
came back like that's a movie waiting to
happen
that's so weird yeah it's crazy yeah
yeah he's one of a con that guy
something else villagers is really cool
if you like Irish song right yeah yeah I
do like Irish sonorous they're great
yeah I just read a book fine Irish
author the book is called the young
skins it's really cool it's like all
these different essays actually could
see you really digging it and it's these
different sort of connected essays and
just the way this guy writes is like
crazy poetic his name's Colin Barrett
and I know very cool descriptions of
sort of small-town Irish life and it
kinda reminds me of Goshen in a way
which is yeah yeah that's cool I learned
this very small town like they have that
small-town vibe I've always heard like
you gotta go to Galway cuz I'm from
Boston so everyone always says you got
to go to Galway because just like Boston
like that everything around there is
like horses cows very small town very
rural yeah I don't do it Ireland so
beautiful yeah I'm in the heartland but
I've been to England and it's like that
yes at least outside of like from London
and stuff like that right your brother
was just in England right yeah he was
living over in London I actually went to
visit him back in December last year
yeah that's cool he's not living there
anymore no you're right he said now
listen like right next yeah yeah so you
were saying earlier you guys get
together in jam now yeah yeah we do yeah
that's not something that's happened
since you were young no we we've always
kind of done it but we've never it's
never been organized it's still not
organized that's just like it'll kind of
come knock on my door type of thing but
when I was in seventh and eighth grade
he used to play in a bunch of bands and
they had a basement kind of like this
one we're recording in and they would
all just be jamming like James
Wellington and Matt Wellington students
and I would go over and just rap while
they were playing and that was some
alike
I remember getting ready for those
practices I would be like oh man I got a
write a full song so I have something to
to rap over top of their parts and those
were like some of my earliest memories
of actually writing music they would
just be on like loose leaf paper folded
up and I was just right I didn't
understand structure anything you know
yeah and they weren't playing with
structure play and I would just like
grab a microphone and they'd just be
like okay do something and I couldn't
sing it also is just like rapping that's
awesome did you feel like a little
brother like going into that room oh
yeah yeah totally I never never really
felt never really felt like I was like
one of them yeah definitely definitely a
little brother kind of vibe yeah well
you're a middle child yep middle child
yeah you think that's affected you I
have like endless middle child theories
yeah yeah we both are yeah um I don't
know I've never I've never thought too
much or figured out too much about how
exactly it's affected me but I'm sure
I'm sure there's there's a lot to it
yeah what do you think so for middle
children and uh this is like obviously
an exaggeration but based on my
experience from talking to other middle
children as well it seems like like it's
the oldest so it's like the firstborn
there's like that's sentimental the
parents it's the first child and like
whatever they have you and then they're
like but we're not done yet because
we're not quite satisfied yet so then
they have the youngest and then they're
the baby so you have the sentimental
first child and you have the baby who
needs to be cared for because they're
the baby
all right then obviously that's just
like a very
general way to express it but because of
that I feel like there is a certain type
of attention that is given less to
middle children and because of that
middle children tend to be like or are
more likely to be an outsider or have
their own path or rather are forced to
stand on their own two feet earlier than
the other two children at least if it's
three children that's my experience I
can see that for sure I mean my brothers
were always like sharing a room and
always kind of teaming up on me with you
know fighting and stuff in the house so
yeah definitely yeah because I think the
baby also looks at like the oldest as
well and like outliers
right yeah that's the Alpha yeah that's
a great way to put it he wants to be
like the little buddy of the of the
oldest yeah so now you think yeah you
got to teaming up on you yeah so it's
not like a for me at least like it's not
like a bad thing it's not like a neglect
thing it's more so just like you can
handle this just like go and take care
of it and like that's how I've always
felt like I was the first one to move
out I was the first one to graduate and
I I've traveled you know to different
countries and stuff my brother's haven't
really done that and I don't know I'm
just spelled thing yeah there's
definitely a difference there is there's
a pretty evident difference when you put
us next to each other especially with
Andrew a little bit a little bit so do
you feel like you and your older brother
I'm like who do you relate to more
well me and my older brother are super
close and we're also closer in age than
my younger brother so I think that's
probably part of it and yeah we've
always kind of played instruments
together and I I looked up to him a lot
when I was younger and he was playing in
bands and everything like I was saying
but also even in high school time and he
would play it a lot of hardcore shows
and punk rock shows he was in although
that kind of scene
and I would just go to those shows and
really admire like you know that whole
crowd and it's just like little brother
looking up to them type of thing yeah
but I remember like rapping out there
sound checks of those shows and like
freestyling outside of the venue yeah
like it's so cool all that stuff and it
it was so cool to me at the time yes
like oh man this is like that wasn't
that was like best night of my life that
way that's you up you know I that's like
a that's like really cool I wish I had
an older sibling because I would love to
have yeah yeah yeah well don't like you
haven't been the oldest yeah it's like
it's like being the middle of to see you
in your system yeah so it's like being
the middle child except they don't
really give you that like firstborn type
of just like she's the baby so whatever
you know she says take care so yeah you
gotta take care yourself yeah
that's whatever yeah I was independent
anyway but yeah yeah it's fine I can't
imagine having a sister just having two
brothers it's just like such a boys club
yeah that's why I'm saying it's like
everyone I knew like my dad was always
like it cuz I played sports and
everything but his excuse for me sucking
at sports is I was like dog yeah well he
has an older brother that he can you
know I look up to it everything I'm like
why didn't you give me an older brother
dad go on I loved an older brother
depriving you of that yeah another thing
that you talk about that comes up a lot
in my writing too is having divorced
parents that's a fascinating thing to
discuss with people what is your
experience and that just as general as
possible like did you for me you know I
was quite young when my parents got
divorced I think I was 5 or 6 years old
and so there's not much sadness and I
actually think it enriched my experience
growing up I think it gave me it like
doubled the amount of experiences I had
and you know my parents lived in the
same town so it wasn't necessarily
inconvenient like I know it can be for
some families but so what is what is it
like for you I was around like 9 or 10
years old when it happened and I think
it definitely has impacted me a lot and
informed a lot of who I am
and I didn't realize that I think until
the last few years of my life like just
kind of like thinking back on it I think
it's weird once you're in your 20s you
start to sort of realize things about
your childhood that you're like wow that
you know that carried a lot of weight or
whatever but when you're young just like
you said it's just kind of it's just
your reality you just kind of make the
most of it so I do think it you know
impacted me a lot I was talking to like
my best friend about it because he has a
podcast and we had a similar
conversation and he was saying oh maybe
it's like your middle child you were
always you know going back and forth
between your parents houses and maybe
like you've always felt kind of
in-between with these different things
and maybe that's kind of what's always
pushing you to you know look for a sense
of home or that sort of thing so yeah I
definitely think it like it shows up a
lot am i writing I think it you kind of
like relate to each other when you meet
someone else who has divorced parents
like it's just this weird looks like an
understanding day kind of thing yeah
yeah yeah and you know everyone's
experience is different with it yeah
because it's I don't know it's just
different based on who all the people
are involved but yeah I think it
definitely informs my creativity a lot
yeah I think it probably encouraged me
to create my own world in my head where
I feel safe and I feel like you know I'm
kind of have this creative bubble mm-hmm
that sort of thing yeah when you say you
feel like you don't have or you said you
were having a conversation on another
podcast and they pointed out that maybe
that's why you're searching for a home
you feel like you don't have a home like
do you feel not at home in your
apartment in the East Village or it sort
of feels like home but I would say it
feels a little bit temporary
like I feel like I'm a little bit always
between things and looking for the next
the next place that's gonna like feel
totally right in New York City it does
feel that way in some ways but in some
ways it doesn't like I think it has
really made me want to step up and like
embrace my independence and
just kind of go for the things I want in
life and that kind of thing but it's
also very lonely living in the city yeah
and that's so it's weird it's like
that's the cliche about the city but I
found it to be very true and I don't
know so I sort of feel at home now I
would say I I do more now than I did
like over the last few years but I don't
know if I feel at home now as much as I
would like to or as much as I did maybe
when I was like a really young kid
mm-hmm yeah and I did move around a lot
kind of I mean it's all relative but to
me it felt like a lot you know live in
like a few different houses whatever I'm
sure yeah total ignorance yeah yeah it's
weird when you move around a lot you
like you you had mentioned earlier like
having a like a sentimental relationship
with your child at home I don't really
have that with the place because yeah if
like you said I moved around so much so
places apartments they don't do that for
me like I feel I don't have an
attachment to places and I think it's
because I moved from the house with my
parents into an apartment into this
other house with my mom into that house
and the whole time I was going back and
forth between my father's house right
and so that is your conditioned to it
yeah that's I think that's a consequence
of divorced parents for sure it's like
you don't have that sense of stability
within a place or in a place you don't
invest that in a place yeah but I don't
I think it's kind of a strengthen yes
like it's I think it gives you a sense
of resilience that you're able to bounce
around like you're I think that's part
of my attraction with music like I'm not
a I'm not afraid of of this lifestyle
not afraid of that gonna change and
you're not like I'd like like me like I
know I'm super attached to my job I'm
still my parents to live in my childhood
home yeah so like I like when I was a
kid when we got like an addition onto
the house yeah we me and my sister were
like I'm parents talking but all the
time they're outside like crying in
front of the home yeah well those
experiences it's like I just yeah I feel
like I went through him like so younger
right but I still like my parents taught
me that you know Sunday or probably and
I'm like no don't leave the child at
home yeah do it
I love that homes you lived in one house
like your whole life pretty much yeah
yes like it's so foreign I still go back
to like when I go home to Boston like I
sleep in my childhood bedroom well it's
really we it's it's weird when you're 25
yeah it's it's weird cuz like I don't I
like you like I don't feel at home when
I'm in New York like I Love New York but
I don't like whatever apartment and then
I'm not home in an apartment when I go
home to boss and it's like it almost
gives you like the sense of like oh like
oh I'm home it's like you've been on a
long journey and you like take off the
backpack like poof yeah yeah back yeah I
don't like today's later you got to put
it back on and go but I definitely feel
like more grounded you know that like
sense of grounded when you're out at a
home yes yeah that's that's a really
foreign thing to me yeah I go home now
you know and that's good you can get
grounded anywhere you know what that's
what I'm saying is like you can be
grounded like it's for me it's like I
have almost like a sense of unstability
until I'm at that guy that's just
something that I need to like work on
yeah being here but yeah it is it is a
strength you I aspire to like when I you
know when I'm fully grown up I'm I'm an
adult and I want to have a home like I
want to create one yeah it feels really
that feels really right yeah I don't
know that's definitely like something
that I yeah daydreaming about having
someday for sure yeah that is definitely
important like creating your space so
that it's something that is compatible
with who you are
prior to moving here with Keith we lived
in this shitty apartment like 20 minutes
that way and it was a terrible
neighborhood it was you know not and the
part was falling apart they were
homeless people sleeping in the hallway
like piece of the ceiling we're falling
in like it was terrible there were
bedbugs in the apartment next door we
were just like waiting every day for
when they were gonna get into our
apartment yeah horrible and when I was
there like my depression and anxiety was
amplified 100% amplified and then you
know when that lease was up we were like
you know it's a cheap place to live but
maybe we should invest in having a nice
environment to wake up in
they'll cost a little bit more money but
I think that it might be worth that
yeah and zero regrets oh yeah
signing a new lease to get into a place
where I can wake up in the morning and
be like okay right you you know yeah I
think it's definitely worth the
investment you know to create that space
for yourself
definitely yeah yeah what else
uh-huh how do we feel good yeah this was
great yeah yeah awesome talking cool man
I think I do think that we covered
everything that I wanted to ask you
about yeah I was gonna ask you what your
obsessions are cuz we talked about your
obsessions often yeah might be the last
question and then we got ahead find a
note to end it on yeah perfect
well I think it's just it's kind of
endless like I'm I'm a very obsessive
person for sure and I think writing is
one of them getting the words to sound
right and feel right over the music it's
like this just exhausting sort of
process I love this I don't know I guess
it's probably a strength in some sense
but music my music really needs to like
feel right to me in the end like all the
words need to feel right everything
needs to be good you know like kind of
the way I dreamed up the mix and all
this stuff and I'll just keep going
until until it's there so I think it's
it's a strength and a weakness
definitely writing but I think the
obsessions are also like thinking about
Annie and this old relationship that's
that's years and years out and I'm still
still trying to get over it still trying
to find closure with it mm that would
definitely be another one
so I'd say all the sort of like themes
all the kind of conflicts in my life I
ruminate on them so much but I try to
it's funny because that takes place in
the writing too and that's like where
I'm trying to get it out but I think it
ends up being it ends up being probably
mostly a strength because I can kind of
get something I'm really happy with and
as you said before maybe that gives me a
little bit of closure yeah like what are
your favorite things to do besides
writing um I love doing graphic design
stuff and you know taking photos editing
photos I mean to all that I love seeing
good live music like people I love and
just finding weird obscure music yeah
something I love as well and you know
seeing people I care about hanging out
with friends that kind of thing yeah
also give a lot of I hang out with a lot
of like my friends who are musicians and
we talk a lot about their music and that
kind of thing so I don't know I mean it
definitely like all sort of falls under
the umbrella of music yeah breathe it
yeah I think I probably need some some
hobbies it's the obsession that drives
it right right yeah well your obsessions
definitely lead to amazing music do you
like I've always been a fan for years
and I am like I in the initial text I
sent when I asked you to do this blown
away by break some ice in the video like
truly blown away thanks my beautiful
stuff and do you want to leave any last
pitches before we close this off
yeah just thanks everybody who listened
to this whole thing hopefully you
enjoyed it this was awesome I appreciate
you guys having me on
everyone definitely you know check out
the podcast and everything and uh
hopefully you guys all like the album
it's called holes in our stories can
they uh can I find anywhere like
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everywhere just at Dylan Owen music
cool man well thanks for coming yeah
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